It was 30 years ago this week that Michael Mann's masterpiece Heat hit theaters like a semi T-boning an armored car. In addition to being a masterful heist movie and insightful depiction of the toll that obsession can exact, Heat is also a criminally underrated hacker movie.

Tom Noonan's Kelso is a hacker in the classical sense: a tinkerer who understands where information lives, how it moves, and how to grab it out of the air. And most importantly, Kelso knows the value of the information he gathers. Last year, we were lucky enough to have Casey Ellis, founder of Bugcrowd, and Meg Gardiner, a legendary crime novelist and the co-author of Heat 2, on the podcast to talk about Heat's enduring appeal and its hacker bona fides.

The podcast is the juice.